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Alex Libre's avatar

I have tried to articulate these same ideas many times and have never done so as clearly as you did here. Bravo and thank you.

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Kingson Man's avatar

thanks for the nice examination of the arguments in the pop article. i only disagree with #3. "for all we know" about consciousness is doing a lot of work here.

for all we know - which imo is nearly nothing - arguments about the consciousness of electrons, rocks, LLMs, bacteria, plants etc are still viable and have active proponents. we don't have the conceptual and theoretical tools to disprove these claims. if one can still make a career arguing for panpsychism... then the field is immature and theory is impoverished.

instead of radical permissiveness towards C, i think we should maintain our strong personal hunches, cultivate our own zany little gardens, and see what takes root where. i prefer to build towards the thing by following my own tastes. the physiological character of conscious feeling is still our best clue.

we will be hopelessly adrift if we relax the boundaries of C to allow no relation to physiology and embodiment. what would 'purely cognitive states' feel like? to allow that into the definition of C is to blow up the target of study.

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